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barelee
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I have walked naked around my village many times at night and there are loads of security night lights, if I have been photographed as well tough as they say so far so good.

I often look out for you if I'm up in the night, and still haven't seen you!

Boundaries are there to be stretched!

 
Posted : November 12, 2019 8:03 pm
Richard1951
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I have walked naked around my village many times at night and there are loads of security night lights, if I have been photographed as well tough as they say so far so good.

I often look out for you if I'm up in the night, and still haven't seen you!

Ha ha Stopped now for the winter period, roll on the summer

 
Posted : November 12, 2019 9:42 pm
tribalbrit
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I was spotted by a neighbour while walking the dog at 2 am. He spotted me first then searched his cctv to see who it was. He then quizzed other neighbours to see if they new who it was.( Ex- policeman)
when I was asked by another neighbour I just replied  that it was probably the same guy that walks round the forest naked (me)
Although he is an ex-policeman he never thought of identifying the dog.
funny I thought.

 
Posted : November 13, 2019 5:20 pm
robt51
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A lot of CCTV cameras sold for the domestic market don't have the right type of lens and night vision capability to give good quality images at night (sometimes day for that matter). Most are fitted as DIY to keep the cost down and they aren't very good at a lot of what they are meant to be good at.

Many state infra red range of 30m+ but that's sales waffle and the quality just isn't there. 5m is more like the range you will get at a push. The images are also in black and white.

Lenses give too wide an angle and zooming in on a recording, especially a night time one, loses the quality more. You might be able to see someone is naked but identifying them is going to be difficult unless they are really close to the camera.

Street lighting and floodlights can put a camera back into daytime colour mode but unless it's really bright lighting, the quality again can be poor.

A CCTV system to give good quality images needs proper planning about what you want to view from your cameras so you get the right combination of equipment capable of giving you that.

That requires some commercial expertise and is likely to cost a lot more for that knowledge (normally via a specialist company) than a standard domestic market 4 cameras and a recorder CCTV set up that you buy off the internet and fit yourself.

Rob

 
Posted : November 13, 2019 7:53 pm
ralphw
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I feel as if the concern about cameras is almost missing the point. I might be wrong, but I think a large proportion of public fears about nakedness are centred on motive, i.e. "why is that person naked?". The reaction to nakedness on the WNBR is amazing, and I think in large part it's because everyone clearly understands why the cyclists are naked and are otherwise quite amused by it all.

I think likewise the general public can tolerate naked swimming or sunbathing at the beach (and possibly wish they could too). It's an obvious thing to do. Walking in remote natural settings, especially in groups, is likewise tolerable (in daylight).

But walking naked in urban area in the dark seems like a way to maximise fears about motive. I sometimes get the impression people are wary of others in the dark just because the thought of robbery/assault can't be dismissed, but if you saw a naked person in the dark? I don't think the first thought in my mind would be, "ah, a fellow naturist". I'd be wondering what was going on. More vulnerable/fearful people might run to the nearest house and call the police.

You can argue that nakedness is legal, but I think we have to remember that it's with the proviso that we don't cause alarm or distress. I suggest this activity is very close to crossing that line.

 
Posted : November 14, 2019 3:20 pm
pjcomp
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Reckon you’ve put your finger on it, Ralph. It’s all about context, and as you say the night time in the street context doesn’t make immediate sense to most.

Noli illegitimi te carborundum

 
Posted : November 14, 2019 6:39 pm
Richard1951
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I hear what you are saying, but before I did my naked walks I went out a few times fully clothed just to see how many people I would see between the hours of 02:00 – 03:30 in my small village, I stay off the main roads and use the side roads only, up to now I have not met anybody in person, seen a few cars going on the main roads, but hardly any on the side roads.
I always carry a longline T-shirt with me and have practised putting it on very quickly, from a distant it looks like top and shorts, up close well …... a dress  😮  but I hope they don't get that close to me.
I don't want anybody to see me, that is not why I do it, I just like the freedom of being able to walk around my village naked, I can't do it during the day so I have to do it when hopefully people are tucked up in bed, if I see the lights of a vehicle I will cover up or hide until they have passed I have the advantage of seeing them before they see me......hopefully.
We also have no road light after 01:00 expect for the main road so most of the time I'm in complete darkness and only have a small dim torch with me and only put it on when needed, but most of the time it is off.
I will carry on when the weather gets warmer as I hate the cold, until such times I get seen and reported to the police, but they have to catch me first, but I do heed your warning.

 
Posted : November 14, 2019 8:30 pm
sunnydays
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We’ve noticed a few of these camouflaged wild life cameras hidden along the foot paths and bridleways in our area. 

We know there for monitoring the wild life, but I expect they’re going to get a few extra wild life surprises of 'au naturel' Louise and I when they review the footage.  :laugh:

There’s Something Therapeutic About Being Naked

 
Posted : November 15, 2019 2:19 pm
John Gw
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We’ve noticed a few of these camouflaged wild life cameras hidden along the foot paths and bridleways in our area. 

We know there for monitoring the wild life, but I expect they’re going to get a few extra wild life surprises of 'au naturel' Louise and I when they review the footage.  :laugh:

This tends to the implication that you are more likely to be viewed on a recording from a forest walk than  on an urban walk, given that game cameras are motion sensitive and the researchers will wish to log every creature seen. o)

JOhn
Do not do unto others as you would that they should do unto you. Their tastes may not be the same.
George Bernard Shaw, Maxims for Revolutionaries

 
Posted : November 15, 2019 7:51 pm
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Oddly enough, I’ve been thinking of getting a trail camera.  No, I’m not a hunter, I enjoy wildlife photography and this seems a good way of scouting out an area.  Which is rather why the whole question of surveillance in UK law interests me at the moment.

The UK law around trail cam’s is a very grey area.  If they were normal cameras ‘with a person in attendance’ most pictures would be ‘public domain’ (unless on private property where it all comes down to owner’s permission).  As they are unattended by nature (no pun intended) and many have wi-fi / mobile(SMS) links it looks like they might actually, in the UK at least, fall under the same controls as CCTV – which rather defeats the object if one can only – legally – use them at home.

My own plan is to gain the permission of the land owners (in many cases this would be the local council) rather than take any risks.

What I don’t understand is why those you spotted (good hide – not – into the swag bag it goes!) were so near the footpath.  The more interesting wildlife tend to avoid the main paths as the smell of humans and dogs upsets them.  Far better, surely, to put the camera on a trail used by the animals you want to snap??  Unless, of course, they’re more interested in what the human natives are up to?  I did hear a rumour of a woman being fined for not picking up her dog’s poop as a result of evidence from one of these cams.  (The evidence was accepted without any reference to whether the camera was legally placed).

Or, just maybe, some perv’ found out about your walks and..... 

 
Posted : November 16, 2019 3:25 pm
pjcomp
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The question of so-called game cameras goes back to John's point about what they're allowed to view. They're not allowed to cover public areas (unless they're public surveillance cameras, such as police or local council) and there are supposed to be signs up warning that CCTV is in operation - yes, even your security cam at home. So a game camera covering a public footpath is illegal, and without signs warning that cameras are in use, they are illegal.

But as pointed out before, the headline will still read "naked people caught on film", not "illegal CCTV in use".

Noli illegitimi te carborundum

 
Posted : November 16, 2019 7:31 pm
Jon Tanner
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In summer 2018 I was in Cornwall and had half an hour to spare while we at Prussia Cove. I have swum naked there but only early morning, and being early afternoon the beach was too crowded. I walked a little way along the Coast path to the Warspite Memorial to sit naked on the clifftop for a while, enjoying the view. There was a strange buzzing noise, which I soon realized was a little drone. It was obviously camera-equipped because as soon as it "saw" me it stopped and hovered about 10 feet away, just "staring" at me. No doubt the operator(s) were having a good laugh! There wasn't much I could do beyond mouthing words to the effect of "Go away" at it, so I ignored it. 

 
Posted : December 22, 2019 10:44 pm
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